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« : 17 Ara, 2007, 20:51:25 »

Madem bu konu hakkinda bu kadar konusuluyo (actueel-->abdullah gul gulenin okulunda topigi), ozaman yeni bi topic acalim, ve bilen arkadaslar, bize anlatsinlar: neymis bu risali nur? Neden Kurandan ustun tutuluyo bazi cevrelerde? Herseyi guzelce aciklamis olan Yuce Kitabimiz varken, boyle biseye neden ihtiyac duydu bazilari? Ve, said nursinin guya Kurandan (kendi menfaatlerine gore) 'süzüp' yazdigi bu kitap neden Kuran yerine kullaniliyo?

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« Yanıtla #1 : 17 Ara, 2007, 22:12:05 »

Madem bu konu hakkinda bu kadar konusuluyo (actueel-->abdullah gul gulenin okulunda topigi), ozaman yeni bi topic acalim, ve bilen arkadaslar, bize anlatsinlar: neymis bu risali nur? Neden Kurandan ustun tutuluyo bazi cevrelerde? Herseyi guzelce aciklamis olan Yuce Kitabimiz varken, boyle biseye neden ihtiyac duydu bazilari? Ve, said nursinin guya Kurandan (kendi menfaatlerine gore) 'süzüp' yazdigi bu kitap neden Kuran yerine kullaniliyo?

Tabi kendimizde arayip bulabiliriz bunlari, herkes google kullanmasini biliyo sonucta... Ama burasi bi tartisma platformudur ve burda bu tur konular konusulsun, fikir paylasimi olsun diye acilmistir... o yuzden herkesin bilmemesi normal olan bu konuya aciklik getirmekte bence yanlis bisey yok...

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kurani kerimin ustunde tutulmaz ve tutulmuyor bunlari lutfen uydurmayin ve uyduran insanlarada inanmayin
ve kesinlikle kuran yerine tutulmuyor insan okumadan bilmez ilk once bir zahmete girin okuyon sonra dusunceleriniz tekrar yazin
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« Yanıtla #2 : 17 Ara, 2007, 22:52:47 »

Er zijn evenveel interpretaties voor de Koran als er lezers zijn, de risale-i nur is slechts één interpretatie. Het is wel erg populair. De vraag is "waarom?"
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« Yanıtla #3 : 17 Ara, 2007, 22:59:30 »

ik lees niet alleen de risale-i nur maar ook andere bronnen zoals een vertaling van de koran ,alleen sommige mensen overdrijven dat de risale-i nur meer wordt gelezen dan een vertaling van de koran met dat is niet zo
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« Yanıtla #4 : 17 Ara, 2007, 23:42:14 »

Een wanhopige geleerde, die na de moord op de islam door de hervormers ( "de donkere dagen van de islam"- de invoering van de seculariteit) (oa Ataturk) getracht heeft de islam met de "techniek" te verzoenen; In zijn huidige vorm uit zich dat in anti-socialisme en pro-neo-liberaal beleid en islamitische so-called "verlichting (o ampul var ya) door de islam te verzoenen met de staat. Deze man is de vijand van Ataturk, en hij stak dat niet onder stoelen of banken. De huidige 1e minister en President zijn volgelingen van zijn theorie en de verderzetting van die theorie door Fethullah Gülen.

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The Risale-i Nur collection is a six-thousand-page commentary on the Quran written by Bediuzzaman Said Nursi in accordance with the mentality of the age. Since in our age faith and Islam have been the objects of the attacks launched in the name of so called science and logic, Bediuzaman Said Nursi therefore concentrated in the Risale-i Nur on proving the truths of faith in conformity with modern science through rational proofs and evidence, and by decribing the miraculous aspects of the Quran that relate primarily to our century. This collection now has millions of readers both in and outside of Turkey. Thanks to the Risale-i Nur, the Turks managed to maintain their religion despite the most despotic regimes of the past decades. Although its author faced unbearable persecution, imprisonment, and exile, while no effort was spared to put an end to his service to faith, he was able to complete his writings compromising the Risale-i Nur and raise a vast group of believers who courageously opposed the oppression and preserved the dominance of Islam in the country.

Bediuzzaman understood an essential cause of the decline of the Islamic world to be weakening of the very foundations of belief. This weakening, together with the unprecedented attacks on those foundations in the 19th and 20th centuries carried out by materialists, atheists and others in the name of science and progress, led him to realize that the urgent and over-riding need was to strengthen, and even to save, belief. What was needed was to expend all efforts to reconstruct the edifice of Islam from its foundations, belief, and to answer at that level those attacks with a 'manevi jihad' or 'jihad of the of the word.'

Thus, in exile, Bediuzzaman wrote a body of work, the Risale-i Nur, that would explain and expound the basic tenets of belief, the truths of the Quran, to modern man. His method was to analyse both belief and unbelief and to demonstrate through clearly reasoned arguments that not only is it possible, by following the method of the Quran, to prove rationally all the truths are the only rational explanation of existance, man and the universe.

Bediuzzaman thus demonstrated in the form of easily understood stories, comparisons, explanations, and reasoned proofs that, rather than the truth of religion being incompatible with the findings of modern science, the materialist interpretation of those findings is irrational and absurd. Indeed, Bediuzzaman proved in the Risale-i Nur that science's breathtaking discoveries of the universe's functioning corroborate and reinforce the truths of religion.

The imortance of the Risale-i Nur cannot be overestimated, for through it Bediuzzaman Said Nursi played a major role in preserving and revitalizing the Islamic faith in Turkey in the very darkest days of her history. And indeed its role has continued to increase in importance to the present day. But further to this, the Risale-i Nur is uniquely fitted to address not only all Muslims but indeed all mankind for several reasons. First it is written in accordance with modern man's mentality, a mentality that, whether Muslim or not, has been deeply inbued by materialist philosophy: it specifically answers all the questions, doubts and confusions that this causes. It answers too all the 'why's' that mark the questioning mind of modern man. Also, it explains the most profound matters of belief, which formerly only advanced scholars studied in detail, in such a way that everyone, even those to whom the subject is new, may understand and gain something without it causing any difficulties or harm.

A further reason is that in explaning the true nature and purposes of man and the universe, the Risale-i Nur shows that true happiness is only to be found in belief and knowledge of God, both in this world and the Hereafter. And it also points out the grevious pain and unhappiness that unbelief causes man's spirit and conscience, which generally the misguided attempt to block out through heedlessness and escapism, so that anyone with any sense may take refuge in belief.

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« Yanıtla #5 : 18 Ara, 2007, 00:20:24 »

ik lees niet alleen de risale-i nur maar ook andere bronnen zoals een vertaling van de koran ,alleen sommige mensen overdrijven dat de risale-i nur meer wordt gelezen dan een vertaling van de koran met dat is niet zo

Sinds wanneer heeft de koran nood om geinterpreteerd te worden? De interpretaties die in de risale-i nur staan, zijn uit een sterke bril gezien, en niet uit verschillende. Het is zodanig professioneel geschreven dat het de mens langs alle kanten beinvloed. Ons volk heeft nood aan een held en die held wordt dankzij de risale-i nur gecreeerd. Momenteel is Fethullah Gulen de held voor miljoenen turken, omdat hij zich baseerd op de geschriften van Said Nursi. ik wens alle mensen veel leesgenot met het lezen van de Risale-i nur, hopelijk zal ik wel ergens tijd creeeren om het eens oppervlakkig te zien.

ps: 1 boek+ 1geloof+1 profeet= islam
de koran zegt al op zich veel en hoeft geen interpretaties te hebben.
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« Yanıtla #6 : 18 Ara, 2007, 01:19:49 »

Aslinda tarti§manizi bölmek istemem ama bir sorum var,
Risalei nur di§inda ba§ka Kuran'i Kerimi açiklamayi amaçlayan eserler yokmu. Yani neden bu saldiri anlayamadim?
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« Yanıtla #7 : 18 Ara, 2007, 01:29:58 »

de koran zegt al op zich veel en hoeft geen interpretaties te hebben.

mm  unsure de Koran is een historische tekst van ongeveer 1400 jaar oud. Het is iets dat in context moet gelezen worden omdat het bijvoorbeeld verwijzingen heeft naar historische gebeurtenissen of religieuze verhalen etc. Daarnaast weten we adhv de esbâb-i nüzûl[1]  waarom bepaalde verzen bestaan. Sommige van deze verklaringen zijn minder evident. Dit soort extra uitleg vind je normaal gezien niet in de gangbare Koran-edities. Er bestaan wel werken die zulk uitleg verstrekken, ze worden Tefsir (verklaring) genoemd. Tefsirs zijn doorheen de geschiedenis geschreven door allerlei mensen, gaande van al-Tabari tot Mehmet Akif Ersoy, van Mohammed Abduh tot Said Nursi.

Je hebt idd geen interpretaties van derden nodig bij de Koran voor "een persoonlijk boodschap" oid. Toch zijn het de Tefsirs, die als (politieke) interpretaties een belangrijke rol hebben gespeeld in de handen van leiders. Kijk bv naar verzen als "لا حكم الاّ لله" (Er is geen oordeel buiten dat van God) en hoe de interpretatie/verklaring/gebruik ervan grote gevolgen heeft gehad voor de geschiedenis (i.e. moord op Kalief Ali)

Ik denk dat je het sterkst in je schoenen staat wanneer je de Koran in context kan plaatsen adhv geschiedenis & theologie (eerder kelâm) zodat je kan zien in welke vormen de Koran doorheen de geschiedenis geïnterpreteerd werd en wordt. Toch is er een rode draad doorheen de geschiedenis van de tefsirs: elk interpretatie wordt door de aanhangers gezien als "de enige correcte interpretatie".

[1] De Esbab-i Nuzul is een collectie van verhalen die de bestaansreden van bepaalde verzen verklaren. Ze vertellen over de situatie waarin de profeet bepaalde verzen had gereciteerd. Let wel, ik weet niet of alle "esbab"-verhalen historisch correct zijn.
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« Yanıtla #8 : 18 Ara, 2007, 03:27:48 »

Kuran-i Kerim $uphesiz tam ve açik bir kitapdir. Ama Açiklayici kitaplarin yazilmasi da ustunlugunu, yuceligini ve hikmetlerini tamamen anlamayi sagladigi için onemi tarti$ilmaz.


Burda onemli olan nokta, o açiklamayi yapan adamin nasil bir adam oldugudur... Vatanina hainlik eden biri midir ? Yoksa sava$çi bi vatansever midir ? Bir propagandaci midir ? Kimsenin anlamadigi aslinda kendini ovmekten kaçinan bir buyuk zat mi ?


Kurd Teâli Cemiyetine uye olmasi, kurd halkini gaza getirmesi, Osmanli kar$iti ayaklanmalari desteklemesi, Turkler hakkinda " YECCUC VE MECCUC ( Islam'da tum dunyayi yakip yikacagina inanilan vah$i hayvanî millet ) yaki$tirmasini yapmasi ve ikilik çikarmasi bana kotu olan saninin dogru oldugunu gosteriyor....


Boyle bir adamin yuceligine inanan arkada$larim $oyle buyursun ..
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« Yanıtla #9 : 18 Ara, 2007, 07:06:17 »

Kuran-i Kerim $uphesiz tam ve açik bir kitapdir. Ama Açiklayici kitaplarin yazilmasi da ustunlugunu, yuceligini ve hikmetlerini tamamen anlamayi sagladigi için onemi tarti$ilmaz.


Burda onemli olan nokta, o açiklamayi yapan adamin nasil bir adam oldugudur... Vatanina hainlik eden biri midir ? Yoksa sava$çi bi vatansever midir ? Bir propagandaci midir ? Kimsenin anlamadigi aslinda kendini ovmekten kaçinan bir buyuk zat mi ?


Kurd Teâli Cemiyetine uye olmasi, kurd halkini gaza getirmesi, Osmanli kar$iti ayaklanmalari desteklemesi, Turkler hakkinda " YECCUC VE MECCUC ( Islam'da tum dunyayi yakip yikacagina inanilan vah$i hayvanî millet ) yaki$tirmasini yapmasi ve ikilik çikarmasi bana kotu olan saninin dogru oldugunu gosteriyor....


Boyle bir adamin yuceligine inanan arkada$larim $oyle buyursun ..

bu sozlerin ustune soz edilirmi bilemem, ama asqan beni soylemek istediklerimi soyledi. asqan agzina saglik dostum
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